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  Forums > Hively Tracker Discussion > Sad Face:( '060/50mhz not enough for Hively...?

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Sad Face:( '060/50mhz not enough for Hively...?

syphus
Posted: 2007-06-06 04:47:31
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This thread is basically just for me to make a log of my findings, and to act as a cry for help to anyone who might have any ideas. exobuzz has already helped me a lot, and I plan to nag him further tomorrow:)

I traded my Blizzard 603e+ PPC/060 (240mhz and 50mhz respectively) for a cooler, more compact Blizzard 1260, since I didn't use the PPC at all and it was a bit of a waste having it sat idle. So I've got my 1260 now and Hively is really struggling with any more than four channels, or while playing any instruments with filters etc in.

What my admittedly simpleton's brain can't understand is that I've got exactly the same CPU as before, running at exactly the same speed. Maybe the architecture of the PPC card gives some speed increase to 060 stuff, I dunno. Also, as exobuzz suggested, it could be slower RAM response, but the program itself runs fine as long as I'm not playing back a load of channels so I dunno... One possibility, and I really hope it's this, is that my libs are all fucked up. However, I've tried a load of combinations and had no success. Also switched the RAM - no better.

Any suggestions, anyone? I'm extremely morose now, because while I thought I was doing a sensible thing (and I got a bit of money against the price difference between cards), it looks like I've taken a huge step backwards and now I can't actually *use* HivelyTracker the way I have been using it.

Don't get me wrong - there's nothing wrong with the card at all. It's doing everything it should be doing - running TBL demos nicely, showing up right in Piru's WhichAmiga (with FPU etc). It's a lovely specimen, in fact - totally unblemished Phase5 1260.

I'd like to know what other hardware users' experiences have been. If it's just a case of "shit happens", and the standard, full 1260 just isn't up to the job, then I look forward to StingRay's forthcoming ASM Hively replay routine, which I think will be crowbarred into the 68k tracker version by our brave porting soul exobuzz. Maybe the speed gain will be enough to let me work ;_; The final possibility, which I hope to avoid at all costs, is overclocking: I got this card so it would run cooler, to save me from having to have fans stuck to the arse of my desktop 'wedge' case. Rising it again and having to whack a fan on there would defeat the object of my trade. I mean defeat it even *more*:)

[Addendum: one further ray of hope for me had been that I could get a Delfina soundcard to, as I thought, take the load of the CPU by doing multichannel mixing in its hardware. exobuzz set me straight on this, however - it seems that this would actually be even WORSE for speed/mixing/etc. I'd get 16bit sound, but it'd be bottlenecked at the clockport and the system's set up to use Paula much more efficiently than anything else...which is fairly obvious, really! So I won't bother with the Delfina...]

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syphus
Posted: 2007-06-06 16:42:31
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Right, I'm a moron. Thanks to exobuzz and his boundless patience, I figured out that, like a complete shitwit, I didn't have SetPatch in my startup-sequence. That and a few other tweaks later, I'm now kicking it 16chanstylz with Hizzle Trizzle.

Hooray!

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Xeron
Posted: 2007-06-07 19:07:09
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:-)
AHX forever!
m0d
Posted: 2007-06-07 19:34:12
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well at least its out there now in writing, for some other poor sap who's done the same thing to have a solution off the back of your brief shit-in-pants misery. glad you got it fixed m8.
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syphus
Posted: 2007-06-07 21:26:18
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Cheers, but I doubt anyone else would be so stupid:)

The weird thing is, I'd been running my PPC/060 without SetPatch for ages, and everything had been fine. Although more demos are working now than before...probably something to do with it:)

For someone who's whacking a 1260 in their Amiga for the first time, there's no reliable repository of good advice and 'must-do' tweaks other than exobuzz's brain, so I might compile it all into one list and stick it on aminet, or on a forum or two.

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Xeron
Posted: 2007-06-07 23:03:55
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I think the BPPC has the 040/060 libs in an EEPROM, whereas other cards rely on setpatch to load them.
AHX forever!
syphus
Posted: 2007-06-08 00:37:57
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Ah - that explains a huge lot! Cheers.

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exobuzz
Posted: 2007-06-08 13:20:48
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Some info on patches etc here

http://www.amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=35962&forum=18

btw i tried putting this in [ u r l ] but the forum stripped it
Xeron
Posted: 2007-06-08 21:21:31
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hmm....

http://www.amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=35962&forum=18

OK... it was a stupid bug in the forum.. fixed now.

AHX forever!

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