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  Forums > Hively Tracker Discussion > Hively Tracker for XP or Linux???

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Hively Tracker for XP or Linux???

Monk
Posted: 2007-02-07 15:37:38
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Hm, for some reason this reply didn't work at all. I wrote 'Yikes! What a horrible spectrum rubber keyboard! (star puke star)' .. maybe the stars caused the non-pasting of the text so I will not use them on this post. Sorry about that.

- Monk

p.s. still, as an idea it's pretty neat - a portable C64 (like that portable Amiga a long time ago), but .. first of all, such a rubber spectrum keyboard is a total rape of the C64 (if I was C64 and someone did that to me, I'd kill myself out of shame) and second of all - what's the point, if it doesn't have a real SID chip (made from a DTV, right?) - you might as well just get a laptop pc and put Vice on it and it'd be as good (actually better)..
Mr_Eeh
Posted: 2007-02-07 16:19:38
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@Matej: I found a few sentences on the net (in HugiNews #29) 'bout an attempt to port AHX tracker to win32 called "NHX", 'round 2000 but it died out before it all started i think.. :(
http://www.hugi.scene.org/main.php?page=hnews29
The site linked there is dead ofcoz :( (www.no.scene.org/nhx/) and archive.org hasn't got any old pages from there..
Deltafire
Posted: 2007-02-07 19:29:43
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Monk:

As the proud owner of a c64dtv I can tell you that whilst it doesn't have the original SID chip, it does have a re-implementation of said chip - in fact it's been improved with some new features added.

As for the keyboard - it looks like an improvement over the on-screen joystick controlled keyboard that you get by default ;)

Oh, just noticed you mentioned that Vice is better than the c64dtv... Really, it's not. Not even close.
Xeron
Posted: 2007-02-12 11:24:14
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Blah *puke* blah.

Edit: Well, I don't know what it was :)

AHX forever!
tinctu
Posted: 2008-01-31 12:05:34
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Here is "sounds little bit like AHX" PC tracker...
http://dawork.synchronus.de/filez/synder07-2.zip
Good one but still in development...
Monk
Posted: 2008-02-13 08:05:18
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Matej said:
Heeh portable C= nice one...
But don't forget ATARI RULES!!!


That's not a portable C=. That's a DTV. DTV is a lousy emulator without a real SID chip.. and some other deficiencies as well, as far as I can remember. So - YUCK to such gimmick-crap, the real C64 rocks. And of course HardSID.

Btw, the new HardSID USB looks pretty cool! Though expensive, I am very intriqued by it ..

http://www.hardsid.com/

Though the pics seem to be artificial - I mean, rendered with a 3D-program and photoshopped and such .. so I reckon there aren't yet actual devices built.

- Monk
Monk
Posted: 2008-02-13 08:12:17
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Deltafire said:
Monk:

As the proud owner of a c64dtv I can tell you that whilst it doesn't have the original SID chip, it does have a re-implementation of said chip - in fact it's been improved with some new features added.

As for the keyboard - it looks like an improvement over the on-screen joystick controlled keyboard that you get by default ;)

Oh, just noticed you mentioned that Vice is better than the c64dtv... Really, it's not. Not even close.


How can anyone be -proud- to own a DTV, is beyond me. It's just SID-emulation with some hardware that's built into a joystick and also emulates the C64.. I would never buy such crap.

And about Vice - yes, Vice is indefinitely better, as you can use

- Real SID chip
- Competition Pro USB
- Every C64 program that you can find in the internet or elsewhere
- A real keyboard
- Vice in a Window, as a very handy way while doing other stuff simultaneously (opposed to having to have a stupid television dedicated fully to that little joystick-built emulator crap)
- Actual I/O of games, programs, pictures, tools, etc..

How do you compose music with DTV for example and then quickly just send it to someone? How quick and easy it is to test some demo/game/whatever with DTV before deciding if it's good enough to copy to a real C64 floppy to be used with the real C64?

DTV is ultimate CRAP, and it loses to Vice in all respects. Except perhaps with it's 256 colors and whatever else they have put there, but that's not a C64 anymore anyway at that point, so why should Vice care :)

For _ANY_ C64 usage, Vice is better, more realistic, more handy (in multiple ways), and better in all respects than that lousy dtv that has been built to ruin an otherwise perfectly good joystick.

And this is not an opinion, as you can see - you can understand this yourself if you read this post carefully and think about it.

- Monk

Deltafire
Posted: 2008-02-14 23:36:10
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Monk said:
And about Vice - yes, Vice is indefinitely better, as you can use


- Real SID chip - I don't have a real SID chip
- Competition Pro USB - I don't have this either
- Every C64 program that you can find in the internet or elsewhere - I'm not interested in playing C64 games on a PC
- A real keyboard - DTV too
- Vice in a Window, as a very handy way while doing other stuff simultaneously (opposed to having to have a stupid television dedicated fully to that little joystick-built emulator crap)
- Actual I/O of games, programs, pictures, tools, etc..


You suggest that the DTV requiring a television is a disadvance, to the contrary I think this is its strength. The DTV is for playing games, not composing music, viewing pictures, running tools(?) or filling out my tax return - the PC does this job perfectly. C64 games (which the DTV does play, maybe not all of them work, but that doesn't bother me) are meant to be viewed on a 50Hz PAL television, which coincidentally is exactly what the DTV plugs in to. In this setup, animation is smooth and scroll text actually looks good (and doesn't jitter like on Vice).

How do you compose music with DTV for example and then quickly just send it to someone?


Why would I want to do that? I have a PC for such things, which a wide variety of music software. I'd probably use GoatTracker if I wanted to compose a SID tune anyway - not something running inside an emulator.

How quick and easy it is to test some demo/game/whatever with DTV before deciding if it's good enough to copy to a real C64 floppy to be used with the real C64?


I don't have a real C64, why would I be copying a demo/game/whatever to a C64 floppy disk?

DTV is ultimate CRAP, and it loses to Vice in all respects. Except perhaps with it's 256 colors and whatever else they have put there, but that's not a C64 anymore anyway at that point, so why should Vice care :)


Why should I care about what Vice cares about? I think Vice can emulate the DTV now anyway, not that I care ;)

For _ANY_ C64 usage, Vice is better, more realistic, more handy (in multiple ways), and better in all respects than that lousy dtv that has been built to ruin an otherwise perfectly good joystick.


Well, the joystick would be rather useless without the DTV inside :p

And this is not an opinion, as you can see - you can understand this yourself if you read this post carefully and think about it.


I have read your post carefully and also thought about it for a while. It is my conclusion that the words are your OPINIONS, which your perfectly entitled to of course. It is MY opinion that the DTV is a nice hack/toy, it's very cheap to buy (£10 on ebay) and has connections for a C64 floppy disk drive and PC keyboard, there is also an SD card reader for it. A lot of people have fitted the circuit board into a small case, and even made a mini laptop - the DTVs power requirements are paltry. It also takes up little cuboard space for when the novelty of playing old C64 games wears off ;)

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